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#1459158 2026-09-22 15:17
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476344 2025-12-09 19:57
it can't be spread thin over any arbitrary indexing task
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476343 2025-12-09 19:57
the TDH-$6529 economic security has to protect the core network
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476340 2025-12-09 19:56
who is taking up the slack to keep indexing it
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476338 2025-12-09 19:56
100 years from now we are both dead
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476337 2025-12-09 19:56
and I currently incent @[maybe] to index it
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476336 2025-12-09 19:55
let's say I make an absurdist xTDH allocation
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476334 2025-12-09 19:55
the forever part is the hard part
Context from david #476330 2025-12-09 19:55
with a gas cost closely tied to the actual cost plus a fee
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476331 2025-12-09 19:55
Chainlink you literally pay an indexer
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476328 2025-12-09 19:54
it has to have the bounding of $
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476327 2025-12-09 19:54
you can't let people just create unbounded indexing costs forever
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476326 2025-12-09 19:54
i am more worried about who is going to pay for it
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476324 2025-12-09 19:54
i am less worried about accuracy
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476323 2025-12-09 19:53
if you have ZKP you can check their work with the nodes
Context from david #476319 2025-12-09 19:53
so obviously there needs to be an indexer on a chain for xTDH to be tracked. Ideally a network of indexers all checking each others work and they all need to run zk proofs and get paid for their indexing. this is what you are currently thinking about
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476321 2025-12-09 19:53
but again the "we" is doing a lot of work here
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476318 2025-12-09 19:53
not right now but I can't see any reason in principle we should not support that eventually
Context from purchardus #476315 2025-12-09 19:52
i Haven’t tried yet, but can I use xtdh for Solana things or BTC things?
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476317 2025-12-09 19:53
cc @[simo] @[GelatoGenesis] the above
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476313 2025-12-09 19:52
my sense is that it is close but not 100% right yet
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476306 2025-12-09 19:51
so this is the benefit of my incrementalist approach
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476304 2025-12-09 19:51
a superb idea as always ser
Context from maybe #476302 2025-12-09 19:50
What if we introduce xTDH to ct and then just rug them after they come check everything out and get sold on what we’re building
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476303 2025-12-09 19:51
and it is not great for that audience
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476301 2025-12-09 19:50
it starts to look like eigenlayer or something
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476300 2025-12-09 19:50
if I then add into it indexers, oracles, incentives etc etc
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476299 2025-12-09 19:50
I can explain in 5 sentences why it is 'safe'
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476296 2025-12-09 19:50
and say "TDH is extremely robust on decentralization"
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476294 2025-12-09 19:49
which is going to hard core OG crypto decentralization maxis
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476292 2025-12-09 19:49
and I am thinking about an audience that almost none of you are thinking about
Context from punk6529 #476290 2025-12-09 19:48
that TDH is extremely robust decentralized
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476291 2025-12-09 19:49
i am saying that this is another use case that is not covered by current implementation of xTDH
Context from david #476289 2025-12-09 19:48
in which case the people assigning the xTDH have to trust the indexer essentially
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476290 2025-12-09 19:48
that TDH is extremely robust decentralized
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476288 2025-12-09 19:48
because then you can have a cleaner story
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476286 2025-12-09 19:48
lets' have TDH and xTDH and not add them up to TDH
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476284 2025-12-09 19:48
this is what I was getting at a few weeks ago
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476280 2025-12-09 19:48
so if that is the case, I should be able to allocate green bay packers xTDH
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476279 2025-12-09 19:47
it is because you are inside the sausage making factory while the sausage is being made
Context from purchardus #476277 2025-12-09 19:47
This is all so complicated
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476278 2025-12-09 19:47
and so I think we should allow the green bay packers to do this
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476274 2025-12-09 19:46
but of course my database is in fact privately indexable
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476272 2025-12-09 19:46
but of course my database is not publicly indexable