yeah
but like true artists we should never tell
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MintFace
#436769
2025-11-13 21:58
'what does the x stand for'
'extended'
is there really any reason that VVD would be like "yeah, but why have you not come up with a name for the sum of these two things that are different things"
VVD -> this is your TDH and this is your xTDH that you assigned to Notable Pepes
to have to communicate to people
i have to go to bed. i will read the discussion in the morning and always open to being convinced but have a fairly high level of confidence that we do not need more formulas
the only reason anyone knows us is the meme
so i hear
Context from
david
#436757
2025-11-13 21:54
you see memes are the apex predator in society
yes
Context from
david
#436755
2025-11-13 21:53
or how we can meme it
on how we can describe it
and we see if anything catches our collective attention
words, visuals etc
throw ideas against the wall
i think this is an area you all can help
our 1000x growth from here is these cohorts
then "other people into onchain activities on crypto protocols can get it"
but "other people already into NFTs can get it"
we now need "not normies"
you need both. we have esoteric absolutely fucking nailed
Context from
Andi_P
#436733
2025-11-13 21:49
You can’t really be a cult unless you’ve got secret esoteric symbols that only the chosen initiates can understand
the % of people who understand anything more than 'digital gold' or even have any remotely accurate mental model of what 'digital gold' in this context means is what I dunno 5% 2% 1% of BTC Hodlers
and it is 'digital gold'
it is abstracted away from 99% of hodlers
even bitcoin that has some fancy math in the background
nobody understands anything
far far far far more
Context from
MintFace
#436721
2025-11-13 21:47
normies are far far more basic than we realise now. Biggest unlock was renaming 'crypto wallet' to 'art vault' and then people would download the app.
'why are all these numbers here?'
'oh just copy and paste the 0x one to me and I'll put your art in the vault'
there is no need to then say
or whatever
you earn TDH from the protocol NFTs
you can earn xTDH from NFTs curated by TDH holders
yes
Context from
MBStuart
#436714
2025-11-13 21:47
ELI5 what are we trying to achieve? Extending trust to things outside memes?
Sorry if a bit out of loop
needs to go together
and then figure out how to make it less confusing
we should not make the website even more confusing
we need to do both in parallel now
Context from
Zigmarillion
#436708
2025-11-13 21:46
This for sure is spot on. I get that the focus is on building now and we should keep focusing on that. But if we later want to onboard THAT will need to switch and become one of the main focus
people do not have mental bandwidth for confusing things
we need to work on becoming less confusing
we are already super confusing
TDH + xTDH = MegaTDH
I am proposing we do not tell people that when you add TDH + xTDH, you get TDH
I am not proposing a change to what was discussed before
yes but it is called xTDH
Context from
david
#436647
2025-11-13 21:35
if you don't use your xTDH you keep it locally?
TDH/xTDH: Some Thoughts
1/ cc @[simo] @[prxt0] @[GelatoGenesis] @[6529er]
2/ Something that has been bothering me and I was not able to articulate it until last night in my head
3/ nobody has heard this not even the dev team so here goes
4/ TDH + xTDH = TDH is going to confuse the fuck out of everyone and is dumb. It is like saying 5 + 3 = 5. Also it makes it really hard to explain the % of TDH you are allowed to allocate - is it the former or the latter?
5/ We need to go with: TDH and xTDH. There is no need for a composite measure that is TDH + xTDH. xTDH can just be added to your Level and any particular wave can decide if it allows voting with TDH, xTDH or both
6/ Beyond the communication confusion, there are other benefits of this change:
a) TDH is immutable. xTDH is not. It is important to not mix this up
b) TDH can be calculated very decentralized. xTDH is heavier, less so
c) TDH is unchanging. xTDH will change (multipler, does it go multi-chain etc)
d) I think it is important that they have different names due to the above too
Discuss
it is complicated
team continuing the good fight with xTDH
going to bed
yes agreed
all the rest is pretty clear to me
1/ this
2/ what xTDH does (want to take it for a test run before WP)
3/ ZK
the three hardest decisions are
in any case, we will discuss
then you get into the question of "what do you do with them"
on mainnet