nah, it all died pretty rapidly
At one point it felt like this space valued that 100x higher than the art. Glad some of that has subsided compared to that point in time
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2026-09-22 15:17
most of the time *at the time* and the rest of the time a few months / years later
the risk with utility is that 99% of the time it is ends up being ultra cringe
the risk with utility is that 99% of the time it is ends up being ultra cringe
meaning, identity, provenance are what matter
probably bordering on anti-driver
utility is the weakest and worst form of value driver for art
it will all be forgotten
my take is "eh"
but anyway this is like a whole order of magnitude different conversation than this one
i still think @[6529er] and I like it more than consensus tbh
he is forever marred
hard to answer specifically until i understand what the pitch is here
I was hopeful to hear a little more feedback on the idea of soliciting utility for TDH
@[6529er] loved it!
I think everyone is on the same page
Also, I do want to ask on how did this card make it through your curation (joking, it's an inside meme now)
so I am going to do coaching
1/ the easy part of the job is when someone drops something perfect first time and you can just say "wow"
2/ the other easy part of the job is when someone tells you something stupid and you just say "no"
3/ the hard part of the job is when something may have potential but needs more work and most people get worried about feelings and their own discomfort, but because I am, as they say, a seasoned CEO, I am well beyond this
I’m happy this experiment is happening. If we didn’t have debates or lobbying then as punk6529 says, we will collapse into low standards
way
and I am lobbying, specifically, that I think the concept is promising but he should aim to make the art more excellent at which point I will lobby in the opposite
i agree completely TDH will decide which is why I am voting my TDH and just like @[MintFace] is allowed to lobby for how he thinks people should vote, I am allowed to lobby too
I personally agree exactly with how you feel. But my point is that the RDH votes decides no matter what I think. And RDH votes can be distributed for many reasons besides artistic merit. A thing I think should be front and centre. But that might not be what happens.
i don't particularly care about the message, about the artistic style, etc, etc
low standards lead to unfixable collapse
high standards breed high standards
but i am more mature and experienced in this than anyone here and so i am going to do some coaching
couple of weeks or something
it is not bad
well we are in agreement, in addition to being stuck in o3, I thought it was really interesting for me to go without voting before I got concerned
I think this is fair but I also don't think the network is mature yet
A lot of it is going to be relationship based initially and ofcourse there will be meme cards that stand out purely on the basis of work/memetic value
eg. @[bongdoe]
we have worked very very very hard to be able to say "whatever else you might think about what we are done, you will be proud artistically to have this on your wall, if nothing ever happens, if 6529 is nothing more than this art curation, it goes down in history"
but if the next 30 cards are like this, the memes are over, done, finished
and ok there is probably a 2%-5% the memes can tolerate that
i mean we are all friends and doing our own insider jokes
by this i don't mean conspiracy
is happening
and a bit too much insider stuff
I am of a different view that before this can happen and not lead to a long-term deterioration of the memes, we have to established that the decentralized curation keeps artistic standards high
there has been a lot of "hey, cool, we are getting community members on the memes and doing some insider stuff" and ok fine, it was basically ok, but this one set off some alarm bells for me because I do not think it is judgmental - I don't think anyone would have told me and @[6529er] good job if we curated that card in (as it is) in any prior season
The system of RDH voting with different people having different power will get through cards that has very different values and qualities. Art has do far being a very high bar and most of us have resonated with that and that's why we joined. But now that might not even play any part in some things going through. Some will game it, some will have enough social capital to get through etc.
so my view is that:
1/ the idea conceptual is fine though I still have not understood what it is exactly
2/ the art needs work
we have the greatest typographer in the NFT space @[6529er] right here
if we like him, we should help not commit crimes in typography
is totally irrelevant to this
whether we like mintface or not
and that is ok too
and a couple got pissed off and walked away
do you know how many extremely legit artists I have said "well, not yet"
so just go rework it
if any artist pre this season had submitted this to me, I would have said:
a) 6529 passport concept is conceptually interesting
b) obviously the art is not at the standard of The Memes collection
ok this is time to have a grownup talk
i FREAKING LOVE MINTFACE which is we should help him go down in history by doing a great card
I have voted 69 on it only because I don't like the aesthetics but i do support Mintface
these are not bad, but the aesthetics of the actual card are not good
passports are really great!!
this is a promising conceptual idea
this is not how we should approach it
fwiw I would support Mintface but haven't voted for the card bc of the aesthetics. We could ask him to redo it but its already so high on the list I am not sure he would take it down
if we just did cute experiments
is because we focused on excellence for 2.5 years
the reason the memes exist and we are all here to do these interesting experiments
the reason the memes exist and we are all here to do these interesting experiments
why can't you do whatever you are all doing on the mechanics and make it, well, not ugly