yes but universities and churches have meaningful forms of sovereignity that i dunno Zara does not
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2026-07-21 23:29
Yet as you say they cant decide to allow trade among staff to be tex less, students to form armies etc
you can't have it both ways
i would not expect the state to fund us anyway
but that is different
it is a funding battle
harvard retains the right to confer degrees, to perform medical research, to self-govern
is not really an attack on sovereignty
and even the harvard stuff in the usa
even more so in europe
universities have a long history of sub-sovereignity
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2026-07-21 23:27
Sure in many ways. Yet the nation still got to accept the sub rules of the university. Otherwise they will try to shut it down. As we seen proof of very recently. Same goes for a network state. It can operate within the confides a nation state allows. But as mentioned in a longer time horizon no one knows what rules, society, who makes decisions or even how the world looks so then its insignificant thing all togeather
even in the physical world
you can get pretty close to being self-governing in the right structures
I think so long as you pay your federal taxes and don't say "I am going to transfer some land to my new made up country"
a large nature preserve is a form of state
a large university campus and a micro-state are not far off
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2026-07-21 23:24
I agree. I was more refering to if we talk about it as a place where te members of the network state can decide everything about there state. And with a close time horizon its only a small part that is possible without nation states getting involved or even wanting to break it up if they see it at all interfere with the nations interests. If we comes to a world where nation states have no power its a different thing
he and I have a bit of a disagreement on this
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2026-07-21 23:24
doesnt AI render all talent vaguely moot?
and he has enough of a brand that it is partially mobiel
which is of course great
+/-
dark talent with companies that need it
and can do matching
and specifically the fact that he is unbelievably well connected to SV and crypto
no he is huge on the dark talent topic
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2026-07-21 23:23
Or people are crossing Balaji's intent on those two seperate things (but he mixes the two things in his releases so he encourages it)
bc he thinks (I think) talent is more efficiently sorted / priced there
it is why I think he is less interested in the west
very very very broadly speaking
It is like Y Combinator for Asia
exactly, this is literally his thesis: I think Balaji is crossing up network state with low immigration requirement startup incubator to montise dark (latent third world locked) talent.
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2026-07-21 23:22
its hardly a network state if we have to live in a single physical state to be part of it. Would be like all Christians having to live in the Vatican . The physical land part is a distraction to me. I think Balaji is crossing up network state with low immigration requirement startup incubator to montise dark (latent third world locked) talent.
"what country are the meme cards located in"
and progressively more of the world economy
but 95% of my intellectual life is online
sure that is offline
wait but friends family food etc
my real life is online
I have close to zero interest in taking this on
so I am happy to pay (country x) to handle the waste disposal and army services so I have a place to sleep
into the digital world
that value is progressively migrating out of the physical world
don't you see that
the real state will be the internet
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2026-07-21 23:19
Sure but if you want to make a "real state" and decide the rules of it you till got to follow the rules of the state you are physically in so there are always big limitations to the state . A lot can be decideed and done in the digital world. But still huge limitations. But yeah we are soon nearing a A.I takover by likely one or a couple companies/enteties until maybe A.I takes over completely so then all will change no matter what so kind of doesn't matter what the nation states do
I mean I hope I don't insult anyone here (I am Christian) but even the literal son of god, said "eh, better pay the tax man"
The phrase is Jesus’ **“Render unto Caesar”** teaching:
> “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
It appears in Matthew 22, Mark 12, and Luke 20.
### The situation
Religious and political opponents were trying to trap Jesus with the question:
**“Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar?”**
At the time, Judea was under Roman rule. The tax was deeply unpopular.
* Saying **“yes”** could make Jesus look like a collaborator with the Roman occupiers.
* Saying **“no”** could expose him as a rebel against Rome.
Jesus asked to see the Roman coin used for the tax. He asked whose image and inscription were on it. They answered: **Caesar’s.**
He then gave the famous reply.
### What it means
At the simplest level:
* You may have legitimate obligations to civil government: taxes, laws, public duties.
* But government does not own your conscience, soul, worship, or ultimate loyalty. Those belong to God.
The answer therefore both **recognizes political authority and limits it**.
Jesus is not saying, “Whatever Caesar demands, give it to him.” He is distinguishing between Caesar’s legitimate sphere and God’s much greater claim.
### The deeper wordplay
The coin bears **Caesar’s image**, so it can be returned to Caesar.
But human beings, according to Genesis, bear **God’s image**. So the person—the whole moral and spiritual self—belongs to God.
That creates a subtle contrast:
* Caesar may claim the coin.
* God claims the human being.
### Was Jesus supporting separation of church and state?
Not exactly in the modern constitutional sense. The statement has influenced ideas about separate religious and governmental spheres, but Jesus was not presenting a detailed political theory.
His immediate achievement was to escape a dishonest trap while making a profound point:
**Political authority is real, but it is not absolute.**
Christians can obey government where appropriate, while refusing to treat the state, ruler, nation, or political ideology as sacred.
So the core lesson is:
**Fulfil legitimate earthly duties—but never give earthly power the loyalty that belongs only to God.**
exactly, the correct time to talk about these is between decades from now and never
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2026-07-21 23:16
hard agree probably the two areas the state will fight to the death over as its existential to them
now
but it is nonetheless basically unstoppable
it does not have to threaten the malaysian army
it has not had to invade London with an army
btc is the worlds most distributed bank
crypto networks are coordination networks
does not matter imho
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2026-07-21 23:15
This is the tricky part. How do you get to a point where a network state can operate independently. Even if you solve the doing, voting and money without outsiders being able to monitor it. How do you buy stuff irl since then the rules of other nation states will apply and they wont let that go